>> three proud words. made in the usa. >> you know, that would have been an interesting ticket, romney/biden.it? romney/biden. thanks, everyone, get some rest. and on that note, here's piers morgan tonight. good evening. you are looking live at the white house. where president is no doubtly celebrating a big win. but with no time to waste, he's already been on the phone to talk about what he wants to accomplish before the end of the year. it's a big agenda, the looming fiscal cliff, the deficit and jobs. a tall order. why shouldn't he be in this speech last night? >> we are not as divided as our politics suggest. we are not as cynical as the pundits believe. >> i'll talk to david axelrod about the president's plans. and on the other side of the aisle, how will the gop handle

the changing reality in washington. meanwhile, breaking news tonight, the nor'easter bearing down on new york and new jersey tonight. just nine days after super storm sandy. new york city's death toll has risen today to 41 from sandy. and the airlines have been forced to cancel more than 1700 flights. we are live in one of the hardest hit areas. joining me now, top strategist, david axelrod. david, you must be feeling pretty chafed? >> yes, it was a great night, piers. to be in that room at mccormick place last night with that crowd and the sense of joy and idealism and patriotism, frankfully, that was evident in that room. and today the president came by the campaign headquarters and spoke to the young volunteers. not volunteers, but staff. and it was a very moving

encounter. so this has been a tremendous 24 hours. >> when was the moment last night, if you're honest, that you thought, we got this, it's all going according to plan? >> when the vote started getting counted we knew quickly we have you know, we have a fairly sophisticated model. we had projections. we knew when we were hitting our targets and our folks were skilled and when we saw the votes coming in, in ohio and virginia -- first it was virginia, and then in florida, there was a sense this could be an earlier evening than we thought. >> we looked at the demographics. pretty much across the board you had a good night on women, independents, you know, younger people, african-americans, latinos, asians, it was a pretty big sweeping area of people

coming in to vote again for you guys. were you pleased about the level of the turnout? >> oh, absolutely. and the breadth of it, the question that was being raised on the other side was whether the obama coalition that served him so well in 2008 would come out again. and so one of the things we saw very early, and even before the polls closed when, you know, just looking at the turnout, was that we were getting strong turnout among the very groups you were talking about. and that was encouraging. >> the inevitable inquest into why republicans lost. if you were putting your strategist hat on and looking at their campaign, where do you think in the end they lost it? >> i think the problem for their republican party is that they are so far to the right that they are way out of the mainstream. the positions that governor

romney took in the primary on immigration reform, the positions that he took on women's health issues, contraception, planned parenthood, drove large numbers of voters away from them. and then on economics which is central to this election, they have a theory that frankly was not a popular theory in the country, which is that if we go back to tax cuts for the wealthy, that would profit everyone. and then for romney himself, there were specific things that he did. i think the decision in the final week to try to litigate the auto bailout again in ohio had a tremendously negative impact there. and perhaps beyond ohio. so, you know, in the final analysis, there are a lot of factors here, but in the short-term that was a bad decision in my view. >> people are looking at what

happened and saying that the senate remains with the democrats and the house remains with the republicans. how can we expect the washington machine that many see as being fractured if not paralyzed to regenerate itself and get stuff done. speaker boehner has come out and said, mr. president, let's get some stuff going here. how much of the responsibility lays with him and speaker boehner? >> people want cooperation on both sides. the issue at hand will be the fiscal cliff and our budgetary situation. the president's put a proposal forward, it's incumbent on the speaker to say, what they would be willing to do and not simply say, it's not our responsibility. irthi i think people expect everyone to live up to their responsibilities. and one thing that is clear as i moved around the country with the president is that they're hungry for that kind of cooperation.

i hope that people will come with a renewed sense of cooperation. because it will take that to solve problems. let me just say one other thing, though, you mentioned that not much has changed. actually what is interesting is you have these super pacs spending literally billions of dollars to defeat the president and democrats running for congress. well, the president was re-elected. you have more democrats in the senate than you did before. more democrats in the house than you did before. and one heartening thing to me in this election is that these special interests and billionaires spent all this money and got nowhere with it. hopefully that will discourage the kind of obscene spending that we saw in this election, because it plainly didn't work. >> obviously you have a second chance -- as many people put on

twitter last night -- to be bolder, braver than you were in the first term. there are parallels to reagan and clinton who had first terms and successful economies for the second terms. that emboldened them to be braver than they might have been. are you hoping you are going to get the kind of economic security if not prosperity in this term that will allow you to do, perhaps, the things that barack obama when he sailed in on hope and change hoped he could do? >> well, piers, i do believe the economy is improving. but i want to challenge a bit of your premise, one of the reasons the economy is improving is because this president was brave. it was brave to intervene and save the auto industry, which was not a popular decision at the time. it was brave to move forward on the recovery act. which again was not popular at the time. without that, we would have slid into a second great depression. it was brave to stand up the

financial industry when it was on collapse. even though that was an unpopular thing to do. because he understand that we needed to move the economy forward. and now we are reaping the benefits of that bravery and good decisions because the economy is improving. i believe that gives us a chance to move forward on a series of fronts and further strengthen our economy for the short term and the long term. and strengthen the middle class. we are not losing 800,000 jobs a month anymore. we are gaining them. and that foundation that has been laid is a foundation on which we can build progress. >> two very quick last questions. one is, i understand the first person the president called after knowing that he won was bill clinton, is that right? >> exactly, yes. >> does he feel a debt of gratitude to him? >> there's no question about it. as he said to president clinton, he was the most valuable player

in this campaign. and we got a chance to spend some time with president clinton over the weekend. he just campaigned his heart out. and he was a -- because he believes that there were two choices here and one led us forward and one led us back. and he was very effective out there. there is a strong sense of gratitude and i think the president is looking forward to calling on president clinton in the future for advice, council and assistance as we move this country forward. >> secondly, the biggest tragedy of the whole evening for many of us is the fact that your mustache gets to stay on. are you a relieved man this morning? >> i will say, when i made the bet, the bet was if we lost pennsylvania, michigan or minnesota i would shave off my mustache. i did it with confidence that this mustache which has been an

appendage to my face for 40 years was going nowhere. i was confident in that and pleased that i was right. sometimes you have to take a stand and i did on that one. >> well, courage has always been your strong point. congratulations on a brilliant campaign. it was a master class on how to win an election. well done. >> thank you so much. >> david axelrod, a very smart guy. with me now is the vice president's son bo biden, you must be a happy guy tonight? >> i am. i am a very happy guy. it was wonderful what happened last night, wonderful night. >> you were with the first family and your parents. what was the mood like as victory became a reality? >> it was an exciting night. as david said, it was exciting for all of us. we were in a different part of the hotel than the first family.

i was getting out of the shower quite frankly, and i saw that we won iowa. eni was interested in the fact that we won iowa. and then my 6-year-old son came and i told him that and he said no, daddy we won. i went back to start getting dressed. and i said, no, we won iowa, honey. he said, no, we won. that's how i found out from my 6-year-old son. >> how is your father about it? >> oh he was you know, over the moon. he was very, very happy. our entire family was. we were all together. it was a great end to a great night and a great campaign. the key to the second term is how is he going to get bipartisan support to fix america's big problems. what do you think he should be doing? who should he be dealing with,

talking to? who are the names he should be sitting down with? what is the strategy here? >> well, i'm going to leave the strategy obviously to david axelrod, to the president, his staff and his chief of staff and my father. but what i will say, is that i think there's an opportunity here. when you have tea party favorites like congressman akin in missouri being beaten so soundly by senator mccaskill. when you have mr. mourdock in indiana being beaten so soundly. when you have joe walsh in the state of illinois being beaten so soundly by a veteran tammy duckworth, i think the fever has a potential to break. the tea party has been repudiated, at least two cycles in a row. and i think you will see a number of republicans at least i

hope good ones that are going to have the courage to stand up to the tea party caucus. and they know it is not in the nation's interest to build a principle compromise starting with the fiscal cliff, which needs to be dealt with over the next few weeks. >> what is your father's plan now? >> his plan is to get to work. he will be back in dc tomorrow. he is home here in wilmington tonight. they have a number of issues to tackle. not just the fiscal cliff, immigration reform, energy, education. a whole host of issues he is focused on. that you heard him talk about during the entire campaign. >> he's been one of the unsung heroes. i think his vice presidential debate was fantastic. he has given the president a yin/yang. he must be feeling pretty proud, isn't he? >> well, i think he is. i am. he played think important role

in this campaign. the vice presidential debate came at a time when there was a bit of a slide, if you look at some of the polls. and, you know, he stopped that. i was very proud of him in that debate. i was very proud of him what he did throughout the country over the last six, eight months. he was in the battleground state of ohio dozens of times, all over the battleground states and spoke directly to the middle class about what this president has done and what this president will do to continue to build this economy from the middle out and the bottom up. i don't think there's a better spokesperson on behalf of the president and the party and with what the administration wants to do over the next four years, my father, i was extremely proud of him. >> as you should be. he's done a terrific job. send him my best. it must be a thrilling time for you all. four more years, well done. >> thank you, piers. where is the economy headed in president obama's second

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commended. what a campaign. when he knocked off hillary clinton, that was an incredible accomplishment, when he took her out. and he came in now with a tough record and axelrod was on earlier, he didn't have to shave his mustache. >> i've interviewed david axelrod a dozen and a half times in the last 18 months. his voice never changes. i thought listening to him was interesting. his analysis of where the republicans have gone wrong here, pushing themselves so far out in the nominee race to the right it was almost impossible to come back. >> right of rick perry on the latino issue. it's a tough place to be. look, they deserve all the credit in the world for a great job. axelrod's a hero for this job. if you like management, you like what they did. >> very smart on the ground

operation. >> everything. and, you know, it gets to what has to be done next. i mean, if you think about the country's problems, the fiscal cliff and the regulatorr ltory nobody talks about that, but it's equally important to knock it down if we're going to get the jobs back and the economy we need. the president, if we can get out of him the same intensity that he has campaigning. and the same intensity day after day after day. >> the same intensity of him campaigning notice last week. we really saw that -- i watched obama last night, making his acceptance speech. that was the obama i remember from '08, it wasn't the obama we saw in his convention speech. it wasn't the obama we saw in the debates. for some reason he was a little lackluster in this campaign. when it mattered, i thought he ripped it up. >> if we can get him apart and go after the fiscal cliff and deal with the republicans and go after his own staff, bring those

cabinet members in, bang heads, how are we doing about jobs, putting every plan, regulation, is this a job creator or a job killer, and be on him and managing them. >> the republicans have got to be less intransigent too. >> yes. >> they have to be less driven i would argue, by the tea party, by the more right wing members of the party. they have to try to bring themselves a little bit more to the middle, haven't they? >> and the president has got to lasso harry reid who is day one has come out prepared to change the filibuster rules and all that. boehner so far has been okay. his day one was quite conciliatory. the president, if we could get his leadership, the way he has it in the campaign. he motivates the campaign workers, motivates the team. he gives great speeches. he's all over it, he's excited. >> i thought the moment when he went down to new jersey with

chris christie was a significant one for what the next four years could be like. there you have chris christie, romney's great right hand guy putting his arm around the president and fighting together. i like that. i know christie's getting flack from the party, it's ridiculous. he was doing what he should do as the governor of new jersey. >> he did just the right thing. he's governor of new jersey, he did his job. and he endorsed romney all the way. he gave romney a lot of support. everyone's looking for a scapegoat today. it's the campaign, the manager. axelrod's the hero. that's the way it works in this game. it's the same way in football. >> would it have made a difference? i always thought paul ryan was a big risk as a vp. it didn't cover any other base, any other demographic. would he have been bolder and braver, had he gone for marco rubio or condoleezza rice? somebody a bit different from paul ryan, he looked like a

younger version of mitt romney? >> you know, that's second guessing and i don't know. >> the vice president won his home state. >> he's been a district guy, if you will. >> in hindsight, marco rubio may have gotten -- instead of getting 27% of the latino vote, you may have gotten 35 or 40. you still may not have made it. the facts are, we didn't make it. and we had as good a candidate as we're going to -- surely the best candidate in the field. we have a good guy, a good person. a smart guy -- >> who would you like to see in '16 of all the current candidates? >> i'll tell you -- in about 48 hours. >> who's the kind of person? >> marco rubio is an appealing guy. i think he's a centrist. he can deal with changing demographics. >> jeb bush? >> can a bush do it again?

i don't know if the country's ready for a third bush. >> maybe against a clinton? >> maybe. what i want more than anything is to bring this thing together. i want you to ask people about the regulatory wall. if we don't get natural gas and oil out there. we have a chance to make this the american century. if we have are the low cost energy producer in the world. if we really take advantage of the frack iing, america can hav it. i've said before, this is the internet of this century now. it is a huge opportunity. we are in the first inning. >> well, great to talk to you. thank you for coming in. you volunteered yourself good to see you again. when we come back, latest from the storm zone and corey booker. and on the president's election triumph.

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storm battering the region nine days after hurricane sandy. rob, it looks pretty cold over there. tell me what it's like. >> well, it is cold and it is snowing. but just think, piers, a little over a week ago, when sandy came through, the water from the atlantic ocean, which is a couple hundred yards that way, would have been up and over my shoulders. it inundated this entire area. the houses aren't gone, but damage all around. they have three, four inches of snowfall here. a lot of them are staying in their homes, a lot of the homes have the debris that's been pulled out. these guys just came up and delivered some hot soup. the community is coming together. the folks inside this house are staying put. one of the reasons, their stuff got looted after the storm. they don't have power. the only light you see is because they're plugged into our satellite trucks. cold dangerous night ahead. take a look at some of these, over eight inches in parts of

connecticut. new york city seeing three inches of snow. winter storm warnings are posted. radar lit up with all sorts of snow. it's incredible to see this sort of snowfall a little over a week after a hurricane came roaring through this area. not what we need. the folks that just got their power back on, maybe seeing it go down as this heavy wet snow lays down on these branches and power lines. >> and hundreds of thousands without power. they must be freezing. thanks, indeed, rob. cory booker, tell me what your view is of where you are. >> this is mother nature's one-two punch. it's testing the resolve and grit of my state, city and this region. as i was coming in here to follow plow trucks around in a few minutes. i continue to see the fact that we haven't recovered. i have about 25,000 people without power. now, this is being dumped as a

potential to knock out more power within my state. >> eight inches in connecticut. this is a big snow. >> it is. fortunately the more snow is further north where they had less hurricane damage. this has been a brutal ten-day stretch for this metropolitan region. >> it certainly has. and we send our best wishes for people this let's turn to the election. big night last night for president obama. he wanted a convincing victory. what are you most pleased about, when you woke up this morning, what are the things that went through your mind. >> a lot of it is relief. there's a lot of gains i saw for people in my city. this whole obama care that's gotten so tortured, the reality is, there are millions of people that have access to health care. we need to cut, we need to be responsible. but also, we can't cut our way out of the problem. we have to invest.

waking up and knowing we have a president that's committed to pell grants and opening access to education. >> where does he have to go hard. you're in campaigning mode for him. he got back in, he can't be re-elected. this is it for him. you can push the envelope now as one of his friends and supporters. what do you want to see him going harder at? >> at the end of the day, we know what our problems are. and this is going to be tough to bring people together. this fiscal cliff is going to test the president and our national resolve to come together and solve our national problems. i think the president did some solid things when putting up solid plans. now we have to push to get them through. i don't want to go off the air without saying, i think other things are happening in america that should be very encouraging. i think this was a moment in our nation where we took another step forward on issues of inclusion, of equality, restorative justice. you look at what happened in america, number one, first time ever, you see marriage equality passing in other states. people are recognizing, you and me created by the same god.

we are all americans, we should have equal protection under the law. restorative justice things, california getting rid of three strikes. i view the pot legalization as enough is enough, we're locking up so many people, we have to find another way. not a way to agree with, but think about this, we have -- we're the land of the free, but we lock up more people, wasting uncal c uncalculable resources. i look at the country i get very encouraged that this nation is coming, this democracy of ours is becoming more robust, inclusive and enlightened about how to create safer neighborhoods, lower taxpayer dollars. >> that is all true. i don't take issue with any of that. what i am concerned about is this bipartisan thing. chris christie's relationship with the president at a crucial time. he could have ignored the

president and played politics. he didn't. that kind of leadership is what is needed so desperately in washington. people want to see people coming together and getting stuff done. i think the american public will be very unforgiving if we get to february and we've gone over a cliff. >> first of all, it's brutal. the debt ceiling debate last year alone caused more shaking in consumer confidence than the attacks on 9/11. >> it was outrageous. >> really, outrageous. >> what happened then is what happened to people -- less people visiting his parks during that period. it hurt the economy. so i'm proud to be in new jersey where our folks are far more centrist and you don't have the kind of extremes. i'm really worried about a congress, this is republicans losing people like olympia snow who are leaving, dick lugar getting beat on the right. having guys like john mccain and hatch have to run far to their

right just to keep their offices. this is very perilous for our country. i'm looking for us to go back where you had guys like ronald reagan and tip o'neill who reached across the aisle. >> friends in the newt gingrich second term worked very well together. >> i think we have the right president for that. but we need the right leadership coming out of congress that's going to rise up to the challenge and bring our nation together. most of us in the country are not on the margin. most of us, however we identify, republican or democrat, we have so much more in common than we do apart. that's where we hope that our government will follow where the people are. >> that's so true. cory booker, great to see you. better luck on the ground. appreciate you coming in. coming up next, how the republican party lost a battle. we'll go head to head on that question. questions from bing elections. do you know where your polling place is? maybe somewhere around my house. mine's just, right over that way. well you can find out exactly where it is using bing elections.

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the right. i want to bring in the president of planned parenthood. welcome back to you both. >> thanks, piers. >> let me talk to you. we talked a few times in the last few months about this. in the end, women rejected mitt romney in quite large numbers. how much of that was down to the policies that he adopted, the tone that he adopted. the behavior of people like akin and mourdock? what do you put the blame down to for the loss of support for women? >> actually piers. president obama carried women by 13 points in 2008 and carried them by 11 points yesterday. so his margin was down. that is an unusual trend line. bill clinton, ronald reagan and george bush all re-elected and increased their margins by 7 to

8 points and obama went the other way. >> hang, on. he is still 11% ahead of mitt romney. so which over way the spin the apple cart. >> i don't want to spin anything. you know how i am on the women's vote and what republicans need to do about it. >> yes, and he -- >> he carried men. in fact the real gender gap exists but no one wants to talk about that. >> no one withins wants to talk about mitt romney's triumph in the election, he got hammered. >> all i'm saying is that women tend to favor democrats and men tend to favor republican ares. what happened yesterday is that women favored a successful president by slim digits and barack obama carried unmarried women. mitt romney carried married women. and mitt romney carried white women barack obama carried not white women. but on the broader question,

they have to do three quick things. one is go to where women are. the idea that women are going to click onto the adds to the tup of $1 billion is foolish and insulting to women. and there was never a good response about obamacare and there was never a really good response about benghazi, and a failure to communicate against this war on women. >> let me bring in cecile here, you have had a good run there. cecile, obviously obama won in the popular vote and electoral college vote. so, it was a convincing victory and there is no doubt that women were more attracted to him and what he stood for than they were mitt romney. >> big time. i mean, this was an incredible night for women, for women's health. for the president overall, the gender gap was 18 points yesterday. overwhelmingly won among latino women, among young women. and i think the other thing we saw -- it was rejection of mitt

romney's policies and his promises to get rid of planned parenthood. his pledge to overturn roe wildly unpopular with women. in addition to that, we saw the candidates, some candidates who should have really easily been elected richard mourdocd in indiana, todd akin in missouri, were defeated because of their extreme positions on women. i think women went to the polls and showed they would not vote for men who didn't take women's issues seriously. >> well, what happened to scott brown? and let's not be a commercial for our interests here tonight. wait, where in the cnn exit polls was what you just described? where was abortion, the top issue, number two, number three, number four? >> hang on. let's face the facts here, todd akin and richard mourdock -- >> what does that have to do

with mitt romney? >> they lost because of their ridiculous outpouring of issues that women thought were offensive. what mitt romney should have done is cut them off at the head. they told todd akin to get out of the race. but why are we talking about two people who lost in the senate? again, i didn't hear president obama last night in chicago thank planned parenthood for his victory say, as soon as i get back to washington i'm going to make sure this war on women continues. he realizes that 57.7 million people last night voted against him. and we all want to work together, but it is ridiculous to pretend yet again that women ran to the polls because of abortion. >> look, i think it was so clear last night. and kellyanne can keep speaking. but the only thing that mitt romney did, he took extreme positions of overturning rowe and what was clear to me, when it was clear that mitt romney

was going down in defeat, he ran millions of dollars of adds trying to convince women that he was not that extreme on women's health issues. it didn't work. women didn't vote for him. and that's the reason, frankly, that president obama was re-elected. >> where is that in the exit polls? >> let's agree on one thing. 20 years ago, there were seven women in the senate. thanks to last night there are now 20. >> that's right. >> that's something to celebrate, season the it? >> very exciting. it's incredibly exciting. i think we saw over and over again, heidi highcamp who was victorious inned in in the. that's a state where a republican should have easily won. but heidi has a strong position in support of women's health. she's a breast cancer survivor, and that was actually she really appealed to women and men about

the need for women's preventive care. mitt romney continued to be dismissive through his entire campaign, saying any issues that women were concerned about were small issues and irrelevant. >> where did he say that? can i see that quote please? >> i was on with you, kellyanne on a panel where you said women didn't care about women's health issues, all they cared about was jobs. >> i never said that. back it up. you want to pretend that the word abortion means women's health because you're scared of using the word abortion. stop saying women's health if you're not talking about obesity, cardiovascular disease. can we talk about the fact that heidi probably has a different view on energy than you and your president. he's not for hydraulic fract

fracturifractu fracturing. >> we'll bring you both back, this was a nice simmering tension between you. >> i just want to be truthful. thanks, piers. coming up next, does president obama's victory mean america is moving to the left? what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make sure you're ready. at devry.edu/knowhow. ♪

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he was trying to revive that. is he capable of delivering the old american dream in a second term? >> no, he's not. and i think what the democrats need to do, and the president needs to do is have a way forward and talk turkey about the fact that it isn't going to be like it was any more. i think where he succeeded, and are we a more liberal america? in a social, cultural way? unquestionably. that to me was the big point, on gay marriage, pop initiatives. not a judicial decision, not a legislative decision. the people in maine, maryland, in washington state, saying, yeah, we're fine with this. with gay marriage. you see on the marijuana legalization in washington, colorado. i think the culture wars last night were won by the liberals and i think that's unquestionably so. the politics, political economy issues, i think that's where

we're still very much split 50/50 and haven't figured it out. >> frank what we saw last night was a repudiation of the tea party faction of the republicans, the more extreme members of the tea party. they're not all extremists by any means, but that extreme right that was chased by the republican nominees earlier this year, i think that got rejected last night. >> i think are you absolutely right. i heard you say earlier are we moving left as a country? "don't know that we're moving that far to the left, but i think the republican party has been held hostage by its right. and what they learned yesterday, today, is that they're making sense of all this. if they don't find a way to distance themselves from the right ward element, the tea party. they're going to start losing a lot more elections and they're going to have a hard time ever getting the presidency back. >> you see a total disconnect of marijuana being legalized. gay marriage being legalized. the first gay senator. and so on and so on.

on one level. on the other level, you still have republicans that want to try to reverse roe versus wade. to me, it sounds archaic, this is not the battleground that's ever going to get you to where the next election will be for. >> no, and it's really inning to read, as i did today, what the republicans are saying about, what's our problem? now, they understand that you can't go as they did from having a margin of 9% among hispanics for democrats eight years ago and 44% yesterday. you can't go from having -- in decision, 8% gender gap eight years ago, 12% gender gap four years ago, 18% gender gap today. there's a real problem there. they can't just say, oh, we'll stick to our guns, it wasn't conservative enough. there was a real, real problem if they allow, as frank said,

this right wing tail to wag their dog. >> was it a mistake to go to paul ryan as the vp pick? is it the wrong message? another white guy with pretty far right social issues, certainly? with hindsight, monday morning quarterback, was it a mistake? should he have gone for a braver pick? a marco rubio, condoleezza rice? >> i don't know that paul ryan hurt him that much. i think at the end of the day, people don't vote for the vice president. but there were a whole bunch of atmospheres. paul ryan associated with the anti abortion position and then the other senate candidates came together that made the republican party said you look archaic and mean spirited. it's interesting you mentioned rubio and condoleezza rice, i wonder coming out of this if the republican party is going to recruit candidates who have a darker skin color, rather than realizing there are certain policies and ways the republican party talks that alienate a lot of voters, no matter what the

color of the skin or what the gender of the person they put on the ticket is. >> you look at the poll results and the idea that in four years' time they could fight another election with two white guys reasonably welloff backgrounds, i don't think that will fly. they have to be more adventuro s adventurous. kurt, frank, thank you very much. we'll be right back. capella university understands businesses are trying to come back from rough economic times. employees are being forced to do more with less. and the need for capable leaders is greater than ever. when you see these problems do you take a step back,

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